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Gary B. Sanders
Samuel
Moses
was born about 1753. Though there is some controversy about his year
and place
of birth, it is well established that he was married and had a family
by the
1780s and was living in
There
is
family tradition that has been passed down among the descendants of
both Samuel
and Joshua that the two were brothers. The details of the family
tradition,
however, vary considerably. Among one branch of the Samuel Moses line,
for
example, there is a tradition that is unique and dramatically at odds
with the
tradition among the other branches and
different from
every tradition passed down among the descendants of Samuel’s
brother Joshua
who died in
It
is my
intention to here examine three works that have addressed the genealogy
of the
Samuel Moses line:
The Moses
Family of Big Creek,
the family papers of Joshua and Sarah Sample Moses and related
families,
A Little
Before…A Little After, the
Families of
Robert Lee and Sarah Dorcas Hunt Moses, plus The
Moses Family of Tennessee, its Origin
and History by Wm. Robert (Bob) Moses, compiled by Ruby Lee
Tidwell
Hranicky (a granddaughter), 2002 Actually, this work was probably
written
before
1995 because Edith Ward mentions Mrs. Hranicky’s work in her 1995
book.
Moses: Twigs and
Branches of the Moses Family Tree, by James R. Setliffe,
July 1995.
My concern here is not
with any of the descendants of
Samuel but with his ancestors, so what follows is a brief synopsis of
the
general thesis of each researcher in regard to Samuel Moses and his
parentage. These works came to me from other researchers in PDF format.
The citations I give below for direct quotations are to the page
numbers of the PDF file of each work.
EDITH WARD BOOK, The Moses Family of Big Creek
Edith Ward’s approach is closer to that of a traditional historical and genealogical analysis and she does not try to make her data fit any preconceived agenda.She begins (p. iv,
PDF) by mentioning John Moses who
baptized five of his children in 1753 in Prince Frederick Winyah church
in
Although she
doesn’t mention this, we know from Y-DNA
testing that the descendants of Joshua Moses of
Mrs. Ward (p. 370,
PDF) quotes a copy of a statement from
Glenda Clinkenbeard (born 1938), a descendant of Samuel, that “
Nevertheless, in spite
of these statements by some
descendants of Samuel, Mrs. Ward appears to think that Samuel lived in
Anson
from early childhood until he moved after 1800 (p. 1, PDF). She appears
to
reject or remain neutral on the German-Jewish origin. The brother who
went
north, of course, fits the description of Joshua of Whitley County,
which is
north of
Mrs. Ward also
mentions that not all descendants of Samuel
had a tradition of Samuel having been born in
HRANICKY BOOK, A
Little
Before…A Little After, the
Families of
Robert Lee and Sarah Dorcas Hunt Moses and the ROBERT MOSES
BOOK, The
Moses Family of Tennessee, its Origin
and History
The second work is
that of Ruby Hranicky. Like that of Mrs.
Ward, this work includes much valuable information about the
descendants of
Samuel, but she does not really address the issue of the ancestors of
Samuel
Moses. She does, however, include in her booklet, starting on p.143
(PDF) a
narrative about Samuel’s ancestors by William Robert (Bob) Moses
of Englewood,
Tennessee. Bob Moses states that most of his material came from his
grandfather, David James Martin Moses, who was born in 1891 in
Bob Moses begins by
asserting that Samuel Moses was really
named Samuel Joshua Moses and that Samuel passed down through the
generations
of his descendants the information that Bob Moses has recorded in this
work. On
page 149 (PDF), he cites a letter he wrote to Ruby Hranicky:
January
28,
1992
Mrs.
Ruby Lou Hranicky
2706
Bretshire
Dear
Ruby Lou,
If
I get histrionic in this letter, please forgive me. First,
congratulations on a marvelous piece of work! Second, I
thank you from the bottom of my heart for letting me see it.
I thought that I would never find the
What
has bothered me all these years is that none of the people
who were privy to this story were educated. Most of them
couldn't read or write, although a few could sign their names.
With this being the case, how on earth did they get such
accurate, detailed information about Samuel and his family
if the story isn't true? I mean I was given details right
down to street names. For the streets that I can remember,
I have checked and they really exist. There is a
Samuel
was on the ship Tryal in January, 1767. I have plotted
dates and places on a map and everything fits in a logical
sequence. Everything that I have verified that my grandfather
told me has been right on the money; land deals, marriages,
census records, deaths, and places of burial. There
is a city named
I
now know where I
got
the Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego
that I mention in my paper. When I looked through your
book, the light came on. They didn't have anything to do
with the Moses family but they were members of the Hicks family
and that is the reason Grandpa couldn't remember much about
them. One Hicks name that I can remember clearly is Isaac
and the person he was named for lived in
incident
years ago that they got involved in, but I don't remember
what it was about. A Hicks lady got murdered is about
all I can recall. The information is supposed to be in the
The
individual who died on the way back from
I
will tell
you that Margaret Emma's Uncle Andy was not a
Moses and
that he and Joshua didn't get along with each other
because they were jealous over who little Margaret liked
the
best. Her father was a Corporal in the Confederate Army
and he
was killed at Chickamagua. I believe that Masten's
mother was Margaret Ray and that his father was the John
Moses
who was killed at
The
envelope
that you show from
Samuel
Moses
was, without a doubt, from
There
is an
amusing little story about the family crest as
told by
Richard Moses who collected the data for the Kentucky
Moses book. It seems that during the feudal days in
his
escape, he had become known as John the chicken slayer. Ergo,
the four chickens on the crest. The rooster on the top looks
backward to see if anybody is following, and he is standing
on a row of eggs to symbolize fertility. The crest is
supposed to be white with a green chevron hatched with black
and the crest is trimmed with black. After much pestering,
Richard finally said that if John hadn't of existed,
he should have, and Richard went on to say that he invented
the crest. I will give you three guesses as to who helped
pick out the colors; else, the chevron would have been lavender
instead of green. Then, it could be that the crest is
very ancient and Richard was just trying to impress me.An
expert that I took it to years ago didn't seem to think so.
At this point I don't know what to
believe. You would have
to meet Richard to really appreciate what I am saying.
Richard
Moses' book, THE MOSES TRIBE OF KENTUCKY, is HIGHLY
suspect. I think Richard spent his whole life traveling
around the country digging up records on any Moses he
could find. He said he was going to search for 25 years and
then write for ten. He was convinced that all the Moses in
the whole world are related and he was trying to prove it. What
he was looking for was proof about the John who killed the
chickens. My grandfather told him more than once that we are
not related and that if any connection was to be made, it woud
have to be in the old country. Grandfather knew that it couldn't
be done and thankfully he refused to give the man
any
of our family history. This man pestered us to death for several
years. I was never so glad when he got too old to travel.
The last time I saw him he had the trunk and back seat
of his car filled with boxes full of papers, old Bibles, and
pictures of the Moses families he had met. There was no way
on the face of this earth that he could make any sense out
of what he had collected.
None,
and I mean none, of his Joshuas are related to us.
I can account for every Joshua in our family. Rabbi Jacob
Joshua is supposed to be buried at the Jewish Community at
I
have a strong belief that Samuel 's
Jessie
is buried near
the horeshoe bend in the
Samuel
's
first wife was Mary Brown .
All
that James would
tell my grandfather about Samuel's second wife was that she
was the
And
lastly, there is Anderson Moses' son Joshua.
He needs
no explanation.
I
am sorry that I ran on so long and that I am unable to get
the address for the other book on the Moses family of
If
it isn't too much trouble, could you ask Charlie ifhe
remembers anything about my Grandfather, Dave Moses .
Dave's nickname was Busteye.
Sincerely,
Bob
Moses
I quoted the letter in
its entirely because I think it
gives a good summary of Bob Moses’ theory about the origins of
the Moses
family, and also because I want to make clear what he was actually
saying.
Notice he says he did not as a child believe the stories that came from
his
grandfather, David James Martin Moses, who was born in 1891. In a
couple of place, Bob
Moses
hints that some of the information goes back even further in time to a
James Moses, but
it’s not
clear if this is a reference to the James Moses who was born in 1846
and who was the grandfather
of
David James Moses. For example, he states that James could not
remember the
maiden name
of the wife of Samuel even though she died when James was seventeen
years old
and James attended her funeral. That appears unlikely to be a reference
to the
James Moses who was born in 1846; surely no wife of Samuel could have
lived
until 1863 when James was seventeen.
Perhaps this is a reference to an earlier James Moses. The
information
that came from James Moses appears to have been rather mundane material
such
as that
the name of Samuel Moses’ first wife was Mary Brown, and Bob
Moses does
not state whether the material derived from James was transmitted
orally or
through written material. For the most part, Bob Moses
attributes his information about the Jewish origin of the Moses
line to his grandfather, David James Moses.
Further, Bob Moses
makes the
statement “Samuel Moses, without a doubt, was from
I
am
convinced that Samuel's diary is written in a form of German because I
have
seen it myself. We did have the paper that Samuel signed retaining his
German
citizenship after the Revolutionary War, as well as a letter that he
received
from his sister who was still at Aachen, plus the papers that sent
Samuel to
this country.
But
stupid me, I let a man from
There was no such
thing as German citizenship prior to
1871, only citizenship of the various
As
for the claim that
Samuel Moses came to America in 1767
on the ship Tryal, it would be helpful to know whether Bob Moses made
this
assumption or if the source was his grandfather.True, there was an
English Samuel
Moses
who was sentenced to deportation as a petty thief in 1767 and who came
to
Philadelphia on the ship Tryal but that Samuel Moses is apparently lost
to
history. There is no proof he was the same person as the Samuel Moses
who lived
in
https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/print.jsp?div=17670115
(L.)
121. Samuel
Moses was
indicted for
stealing a woollen waistcoat, value 12 d. the property of Charles
Hammerton ;
and a woollen cloth coat , the property of Richard Rawlins , Dec. 19 .
++
Charles
Hammerton . I am a paviour employed by the commissioners. On the 19th
of
December, in the evening, I was looking over my men in Newgate-street ;
I
observed the prisoner and another man loitering about; my people said
they had
observed them some time; in a few minutes I heard the cry stop thief;
my men
pursued, and took the prisoner: the other witness will give a farther
account.
William Fullham. I was
at work; the clothes were laid upon
a post: I saw the prisoner take the coat and waistcoat, and run away; I
pursued, calling stop thief; he dropped the clothes in Newgate-street;
and he
was stopped in Newgate-market by the butchers; (the clothes produced in
court)
Richard
Rawlins . This coat is my property; I had left it upon a post, from
whence the
prisoner took it; the waistcoat is the property of the apprentice.
Prisoner's
defence.
I
heard them
call stop, thief, and a butcher stopped me; I know nothing about the
things.
Guilty. T.
Though Bob Moses does
not go into detail about how Samuel
Moses was deported to America, the actual court record is at variance
with the
explanation given by James Setliffe (p. 16, PDF) who claims that his
work is
based on the work of Bob Moses and David James Moses. Setliffe’s
version is
that Samuel was arrested because he did not fulfill his obligations as
an
apprentice:
Samuel
stopped showing up for work, a fact which broke his apprenticeship
agreement. At this time in history this was a very serious infraction
of
the
law.
The
incident about
his honeymoon had soured his relationship
with his employer. His older brother, Joshua Samuel,
tired
of having
to go to his younger brother's home to force him to go to work. He
finally
gave up trying as he felt Samuel was old enough to show some maturity.
He
also tired of
paying Samuel's rent. One day, as Samuel came out of
his house, two policemen were waiting for him. Samuel's first
inclination was
to run away, which he tried without success. The date was December 18,
1766.
He
was taken to the
Police Station at Charring Cross for processing and
was then transported to the Old Bailey.
So, instead of
Samuel Moses, a recent German-Jewish immigrant in London
leaving his house and being arrested for breaking his apprenticehsip
by “two policemen” an occupation that did not exist in
London in 1767, the real Samuel Moses, English thief and
deportee to America on the shipTryal, was the object of a
citizen’s
arrest as he fled
down the street pursued by a butcher and a man who was was supervising
a
crew of men who were paving the street. His crime was
stealing two coats someone had carelessly left on a post in the street.
Next, Bob Moses
mentions his grandfather Dave Moses’
quarrel with Richard Moses, the author of the book The Moses Tribe
of
Kentucky. David James Martin Moses seems to have had his
set theory
of the origin of the Moses family and did not wish to give any
information that
could be used as ammunition by anyone who might present a challenge:
“My
grandfather told him more than once that we are not related.”
(p.152 PDF). Of
establishing a connection between Joshua Moses of
We are told by Bob
Moses that David James Martin Moses had
detailed information about the German-Jewish origins of his ancestor
Samuel in
Aachen, Germany, but also that the grandfather was completely unaware
that
Samuel had relatives in Whitley County, Kentucky. Yet we know that
other
descendants of Samuel believed that Samuel had a brother who moved
north of
This lack of
cooperation by both David James Martin Moses
and his grandson Bob with Richard Moses, who was a sincere and
well-meaning
researcher, and their inability to provide paper documentation for
their unique
theory (except for some papers that were given away to an unknown man
from
Alabama) raises serious questions in my mind about the German-Jewish
immigrant
origin for Samuel Moses. Some of their tradition may be true, but their
theory needs to be revised in regard to the relationship between
Samuel Moses of
Y-DNA testing is the
gold standard in genealogical DNA
testing, and Y-DNA testing has conclusively proven that Joshua Moses of
None of the
descendants of John Moses of
It is, therefore,
still possible that somewhere back in
time one of the Moses was a Jew. Though the Moses surname does not
invariably
indicate a Jewish origin and there are many Moses families that were
never
Jewish, when my mother first told me that her grandmother had the
surname of
Moses, my first thought was that the family may have been Jewish at one
time.
Moses, both as a surname and a given name, is strongly associated with
Jews. I
think this may also explain why David James Martin or one of his
ancestors was
so fixated on the Jewish origin theory. Often parents tell family
tradition
stories to their children, stories that have become garbled as they
pass
through generations. In my Sanders family, it is told that my third
great
grandfather Benjamin Sanders (1766-1849) was an Irish Catholic who
converted to
Protestantism at a camp meeting when he was over 100 years old.
Everyone
appears to believe the story until we looked at the documentary
evidence. The
census records show he could not have lived over 100 years (unless they
missed
him on the 1850 and 1860 census records) and he could not have been
Roman
Catholic (unless his religion was different from everyone else in the
family).
So, what was true about the tradition? Probably, only that his
ancestors had
been Irish and when he was an old man he had a very dramatic religious
conversion at a camp meeting. I think something similar may be going on
with
the German-Jewish theory about Samuel Moses. It may have grown over
time with
more detail and more extravagant claims in each generation.
The German-Jewish
origin is
somewhat doubtful not only because it is unconfirmed by other branches
of the
Moses family but also because it would be historically atypical. It
would be
almost unheard of for someone to be born into a family of educated
Jewish
rabbis in
Bob
Moses (p.300,
PDF) provides a chart of his ancestors, showing the parents of Samuel
Joshua
Moses as Jacob Joshua Moses and Rachel Klein of
JAMES SETLIFFE
WORK, Moses: Twigs and
Branches of the Moses Family Tree
Although there
are
many perplexing questions about the
material provided by Bob Moses, there are even more when we peruse the
third
work examined here, Moses Twigs and Branches. Though he appears
to have written a bit later than Bob Moses, James Setliffe
gives much more
detail about the life of Samuel Moses than any of the other authors
examined here.
This
extra
detail, in itself, is far beyond what one would typically find in a
family
history. It is not at all clear why this added material, if it was part
of family tradition or was present in recorded documents, was
unmentioned by Bob Moses in the material he provided for Ruby
Hranicky's work, even though James Setliffe
states that
most of his
material came from David James Martin
Moses through Bob Moses (p. 5, PDF):
David
James Martin Moses (1891 - 1956) passed down to his grandson,
William Robert Moses, that he remembered that he had been told that
the family came into
This is a
rather enigmatic statement, even
aside from the historical inaccuracy about
Even
if David James Moses had a phenomenal memory of stories told to him by
his elderly relatives, it seems unlikely he
could retain the level of detail that is manifested in the following
passage (p.14, PDF):
Samuel
Joshua, accompanied by an escort,
left
the community,
going
first
to
We have noted
earlier the statement of Bob Moses that when he was a teenager, he
gave away to an unknown man from Alabama Samuel Moses' diary and a
letter, which were apparently the only physical documentation of
the German-Jewish
heritage. Thereafter, presumably, the evidence remaining was what
David James Moses recounted to his grandson
Bob Moses. The latter, in turn, passed the material on to James
Setliffe, who married into the Moses family and then provided a written
account of the family history.
In this work, the
extensive detail goes on
for page after page, describing Samuel
Moses’ life in
Here
is anotheer
example
(p.17, PDF):
After
Samuel's deportment, his brother, Joshua Samuel, put Mary on a ship
back to
In
that same year (1771)
Samuel
and Mary bought a two-wheel wagon and
headed over the old Corduroy Road along the
One
evening
the family camped along the
Then, Samuel discovers
his flour sack
was full of weevils (p. 19, PDF):
It
was at this point that Samuel discovered that his flour was full of
weevils.
This
meant that he
had to go north, out of his way,
to
Bean's Station to
buy flour.
He
took
a horse and rode to the Station while the girl and baby camped
beside the
map
was much harder to
travel than he had been led to believe.
The
route turned
out to be a blazed trail. In some places Samuel had to cut trees to get
his
two-wheeled wagon through. However, at this point there was no turning
back.
On
page eighteen is a dramatic story of Samuel meeting
his
brother Joshua for the last time. According to this account, Joshua was
living
in
On
page 26
is another vivid account, in this case of the reasons that Samuel
moved
from
Many
of
these tales are revelatory of the violence, moral looseness, and
illiteracy
that often existed in frontier communities, but what is striking about
all
the stories in this work is that they are completely at
variance
with the narrative that Samuel Moses was from an educated, urbane, and
sophisticated Jewish community in
On
page 41,
James Setliffe provides a chart of the ancestors of Samuel Moses. It
goes back
to a Jacob who was born in Grimmen or Kloster Malchow in
This
is from
p.7 and 8 of the Setliffe work:
This
was
a
young
school
as the
Jews had
only
been
in
Jacob
Joshua had
difficulty getting
into this
school because
he
was a gypsy
Jew.
The
school officials
felt that
his
education
at Kloster
Malchow was
inferior. The
Rabbi who had taught Jacob Joshua was persistent and he was
able to arrange
for an interview
and
for
a test for Jacob Joshua
at
the school.
Jacob Joshua and the
old Rabbi
went to
During
the interview portion, Jacob Joshua was impressive because he could give
his
family
tree
back to a point
before Alexander the Great. The
Rabbi
doing
the interview was impressed,
but
skeptical. He had Jacob Joshua give his
lineage once again and this time he wrote it down as he planned to verify
each
detail.
On
tbe
way
back to Kloster Malchow, Jacob Joshua was depressed and
he remained so
for
several weeks. Word finally came that he had passed the
test
and
that his family
tree was correct! He had been accepted by the school.
Jacob Joshua's
father,
Jacob,
had misgivings
about the school and his son's
enrollment
there.
Actually,
Jews had been in
Summary:
The
question
addressed here is the parentage of Samuel Moses of
First,
we
know from Y-DNA tests that all three are closely related. Since there
is a
tradition in the Whiteley County branch of the family that Joshua had a
brother
named Samuel and in the
We
know this
family was living in
We
know that Joshua
Moses of Whitely County, Kentucky,
stated on his Revolutionary War pension application that he was born in
1748 on
the
Further,
we
know a John Moses baptized his children at
Therefore,
the most logical conclusion is that John Moses is the most distant
known
ancestor of our Moses line and that this family was in the American
colonies in
the 1740s.
We
also know
from the Y-DNA of this Moses line that the Y-DNA is unlikely to be
Jewish.
Autosomal DNA tests do not show any appreciable Jewish ancestry,
either. This
doesn’t make Jewish ancestry impossible, just doubtful. A similar
situation
occurs with the many claims made by white Southerners that they have
American
Indian ancestry. Often when they their DNA is tested, no Indian
ancestry shows
up. Since DNA tests include only a portion of one’s entire DNA
ancestry, it is
still possible that the Indian ancestry could be there, but if it
exists, the
Indian ancestor was probably remote in time. The same is true with any
possible
Jewish ancestry of this Moses line.
Only one branch of the Samuel Moses line presents the theory of a German- Jewish ancestry for the family. Since that branch has no sources that independent researchers can examine and since their claims conflict with what can be determined by verified paper and DNA documentation, I remain skeptical of those claims. Perhaps there is a substance of truth there;maybe old John Moses of Anson had a Jewish father or grandfather and maybe that tradition was passed down to David James Martin Moses and others. If that is the case, I suspect that at some point in time, perhaps in the early twentieth century, an ambitious and detailed magnification of this tradition was devised, but it is not at all certain who constructed this elaboration or why so much material of unknown provenance was inserted. With the works I have examined, there is no way for the reader to separate the assertions of the authors about their family history from the bare bones of the tradition derived from their parents and grandparents. I don’t question the sincerity of belief of those who present this German-Jewish theory, and most of their material on the descendants of Samuel Moses may be valuable and trustworthy genealogy. Still, the German-Jewish theory of Samuel’s origins, with all its exotic drama and minute detail about events in the daily lives of people who lived hundred of years ago, warrants a healthy skepticism.
--Gary B. SandersMay 25, 20220; revised April 29, 2024